[info] [croquet-dev] Second Life Architectural Working Group (AWG) URLs

[Eugen Leitl]

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From: Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de>
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:28:24 -0700
To: croquet-dev at duke.edu, Lawson English <lenglish5 at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [croquet-dev] Second Life Architectural Working Group (AWG) URLs
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Reply-To: croquet-dev at duke.edu, Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de>

Lawson English wrote:
>Please let me know how I can connect to even one other Mac user over the 
>internet with Croquet save by using the KAT world or moral equivalent.

You're missing an important distinction here. Croquet is an SDK, not a 
product. So, no the SDK *doesn't* tell you how exactly one participant 
finds one another - this is part of the application (like KAT or Qwaq 
Forums). That part of the structuring is deliberate since while some 
applications prefer centralized discovery services, others may do have 
completely different ways of doing the same (some of the UMN demos used 
XML postcards obtained from Jabber services for example).

>While the SL server source is not open yet, the Lindens are very 
>seriously committed to the open source nature of the platform.

I think I'll believe that when I see the source code. It's easy to 
support open source as long as it doesn't affect the bottom line but 
open sourcing the server could have a dramatic impact on their business 
model. In more than one respect btw: For example, even a small exploit 
in their financial transactions could make the whole ecosystem implode. 
And since there is real money to be made in SL you bet that some people 
will look very closely at the server code for exploits. So there are 
some definitive risks associated with open sourcing their server and 
it's difficult to say what they'll really gain from it.

>How many in-world open meetings with Croquet or Qwaq people are hosted 
>on a regular basis?

I'm somewhat surprised you don't know that. We have been holding 
biweekly technical meetings in Qwaq Forums for several months now. With 
usually 6-10 people participating amongst which usually 2-3 Qwaq 
employees (that's roughly 50% of our engineering team at this point). 
Mark has been posting the chat logs of those meetings, here are the 
latest two:

https://lists.duke.edu/sympa/arc/croquet-dev/2007-09/msg00075.html
https://lists.duke.edu/sympa/arc/croquet-dev/2007-10/msg00022.html

>The lindens host about 2 dozen  regular meetings in-world 
>every week,  including several each week with open source programmers to 
>discuss open source issues and bug-fixes:

And your point is?

>How many croquet users interested in expanding croquet meet once or 
>twice a week in a croquet world to discuss where Croquet is heading and 
>how it should get there? HOw many choat in IRC on a daily basis for this 
>purpose?

And again your point is? I rather fail to see much of a constructive 
attitude in the above.

Cheers,
  - Andreas

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